Comments on: Nothing More than Clubs

By: Zara

Zara — Fri, 16 May 2008 23:06:41 +0000

Verena, just so you know, as other people have said, political parties were not in the Constitution because at the time of the Constitutional convention, there weren’t organized political parties as we know them today. Like lizbeth said, they just kind of sprung up. ;D

Elysa, great job on this post! I didn’t really understand what was the big deal about it anyway–political parties are not government-regulated organizations, which means that they can set their own rules and enforce them. Is that so damn hard to understand?

By: lizbeth

lizbeth — Thu, 15 May 2008 02:34:46 +0000

A perfect combination of humor and politics (and I’ll remember not to mess with your cherries).

And, no, there isn’t any detailed section of the Constitution that explain political parties, because they just kind of sprung up. And there were three or four political parties throughout U.S. history. I fucking HATE social studies, but I pay attention to the stuff that helps me win debates. And that would be one of them (also i was reading parts of the Constitution today). Actually, I do pay attention, but it’s boring, I retain the knowledge because then I havea reason to proclaom how stupid this country can be sometimes.

Well…thta went way off topic. Thanks Elysa

By: obamasmanthruandthru

obamasmanthruandthru — Sat, 10 May 2008 03:50:13 +0000

you guys are awesome. I love this site. Thanks alot. And very well said elysa. Ur totally right. The states broke the rule so they take the consequence its as simple as that. And in response to what verena said. No they dont have to have the primaries in these states. One there is a pretty good chance that one of them will reach the total (2025) anyway. And if they dont it doesn’t matter. There is a feature in this whole fucked up delegate system that if no one gets enough delegates they can still win. At the convention after they count and figure out no one will win the delegates get to choose. Kinda. They can pick one of they canidates if they think one is a better nominee. Or they can pick someone random if that person agrees to it. So no no one has to reach the total mark.
great job guys and keep up the good work.
Ps I love mugglecast!

By: Samantha

Samantha — Fri, 09 May 2008 23:17:50 +0000

Well said. Most people have a complete misunderstanding of the primary system.

Also at this point it would be completely unfair to Obama to count Florida and Michigan’s delegates, because he knew Hillary was gonna win there, and he knew it wouldn’t matter anyway, so he didn’t bother with a huge campaign effort in either state. Some might say that his own fault for not spending time there, but thats like saying if a professor tells you for sure that chapter 2 isn’t going to be on the test, and then it is and you fail, that its your own fault for not reading the chapter.
Anyway, I have stopped making sense now so i’ll shut up, but I totally agree with your point.

By: josh

josh — Fri, 09 May 2008 21:30:04 +0000

Finally! And you know what? I vote we kick Florida out of the fucking union for screwing up so many damn elections already this century–okay, it was two, but that’s a godamn lot when it’s 2008. And Michigan probably thought they could do whatev b/c they’re shaped like mittens. Fuck mittens, and fuck thinking you can do wtf you want and then godamn clinton is like, “I won in both states! I won in both states! I’m a strong candidate and all the superdelegates should come back to me . . . I’ll give you a cabinet position?” and the O-man’s just like, “well hot damn, girl, my name wasn’t even on the ballet b/c I removed it like the party fucking told me to.”

Oh god. Thanks Elysa.

–josh

ps when you’re on MC talk more, b/c you say better things than the boys!

By: Jacob

Jacob — Fri, 09 May 2008 04:25:33 +0000

THANK YOU! couldn’t have said this any better myself!
Something that is lost is that the Republic National Committee issued sanctions on Florida and Michigan as well. I think it was something like half the delegates don’t count.
you don’t see them making a fuss about that.

And yeah, parties were not in the constitution, in fact, many of the founding fathers didn’t want parties, fearing stagnation and conflict. George Washington was elected to the presidency without representing a party.

By: Kevin

Kevin — Fri, 09 May 2008 02:12:15 +0000

Amen.

By: Verena

Verena — Thu, 08 May 2008 23:44:54 +0000

So are you saying that political parties are not in the constitution? Are they even mentioned? I really don’t know but I thought they were. Well, that’s interesting… I should probably go and read the US constitution now

Anyway, I agree in general on what you’ve said. But isn’t there that problem, that none of the candidates might get enough votes? Don’t they have that one number that they have to reach (what ever it is?) and I heard many people say that without counting the votes in Michigan and Florida it might be that neither Obama nor Clinton will reach those numbers. What’s going to happen then?

Keep up the work, I’m always happy whenever i can find a new post here.

Verena

By: Laura

Laura — Thu, 08 May 2008 18:57:05 +0000

Exactly. It really bothers me that only after the Democratic nomination doesn’t seem to be as clear-cut as people thought it woud be, are those states protesting that they didn’t get a chance to input their voice. Yea, well, screw you. And screw this two party system while we’re at it. Let’s go parliamentary.

By: Tom_F

Tom_F — Thu, 08 May 2008 08:27:11 +0000

Well said Elysa!
I just hope this little “misunderstanding” doesn’t stop Democrats going to the booths when it really matters…I just don’t think I could handle another Republican, well not like the ones we’ve had lately anyway.